There’s a move afoot in the U.S. House to push the top effective tax rate to near 50% when that rate is combined with two other tax changes scheduled and a proposed surtax on top of everything else.
Here’s how it would work:
- The top tax rate would return to 39.6%.
- Congress would institute cuts in itemized write-offs and personal exemptions of upper income taxpayers next year.
And even if none of that comes to pass, Congress still is looking at an upper-income surtax to generate some badly need revenue.
Here’s how the surtax, which has three tiers, would work, beginning in 2011:
- The first tier would be a 1% tax on single filers with modified adjusted gross income that exceeds $280,000 and married couple above $350,000.
- Then a 1.5% surtax rate would apply to a modified AGI that exceeds $400,000 for singles and $500,000 for marrieds.
- Add another 5.4% for modified AGI above $800,000 for singles and $1 million for couples.
The 1% and 1.5% rates would increase in 2013 if healthcare savings don’t reach certain benchmarks. If the benchmarks are exceeded in 2012, the surtax would end in 2013 for all except those with modified AGI over $1 million.
Watch for the big battle between the House and Senate, since Senate tax bills don’t mention the surtax.
Here’s a statement on the surtax by Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA).
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August 27th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
The democrats already realize that a side effect of cutting deductions will be lower contributions to charitable institutions. They will then be able to say “we will offset your loss by making up the
differency out of the federal budget, thereby bringing these now independent charities into the
realm of political control.
pure evil
August 27th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Talk about “pure evil”, how about a bunch of neo-cons who lied us into a needless war in Iraq? Or took us to the same level as the Nazis with torture? Or far right winger whackos who would even remotely consider Sarah Palin as qualified to be one step away from the POTUS? Or bend over backwards for corporate sponsor insurance and pharmaceutical companies and make up lies like “death panels” and other such nonsense to scare the citizens? Or wiping your rear ends with the Constitution? Anyone who uses fear for political gain is a terrorist. Elect a Democrat and you will be killed. Yeah, right. So I guess you GOPpers are all no different than bin Laden. How do you spell HYPOCRITE? GOP. The Cheney/Bush regime showed us your true colors.
This tax which has you soiling your Depends would apply only to a VERY small fraction of people, people who would not notice the difference because they’re filthy rich anyway. Oh dear, you can’t afford that $200k Mercedes AMG any more, ask the rest of us if we give a rat’s ass. “Survival of the fittest, I’ve got mine so screw you, every man for himself” seems to be your motto. What about survival of the community, or all for one, one for all? You far right neo-cons need a reality check.
August 27th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Difference in tax policy ideas is not evil. One idea may be better than another, or you may feel one is better than another. That does not make other ideas automatically evil. This is a democracy. We should debate these ideas, and come to some agreement as to what is necessary, tolerable, workable, etc. People who use words like “evil” to describe a simple tax policy disagreement have no place in the debates of a democratic society. But, of course, that might be their goal—to eliminate democracy and institute oligarchy.
Half of all Americans are below average, but they ARE Americans, and as a society (we ARE a society, not a Mad Max post-civilization) we need to work together for the good of all Americans. If you really think it’s important that school lunches for hungry kids should be eliminated so you can upgrade to an E-class Mercedes, I pity you. People who give to charity only for the tax deduction are not charitable, and the government shouldn’t help them appear to be so when they clearly are not.
August 27th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Doesn’t anybody fully see what is going on? Maybe everybody will get it when you have to show your papers to go to the grocery store!
August 27th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Can’t make it on $300K plus? Well, with all due respect, boo effin hoo.
August 27th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
After 30 years of the unrelenting redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 5%, this seems to me to be perfectly reasonable (and I have an income that will be affected by these proposals). The only “pure evil” visible today is in the Limbaugh’s, Hannity’s, Beck’s and their sycophants in Congress who each day create a new lie in a desperate attempt to regain the power that they abused so recklessly when they had it: a costly unnecessary war, torture, uncontrolled spying on American citizens (papers to go to the grocery store indeed!), politicization of the Justice Department, etc., etc. Fortunately, we can look forward to rump status for the Republicans as they retreat into their Ayn Randian self-absorption.
August 27th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
The original income tax started as a tax on the richest 1% of the population too, how’s that going? Class warfare. Income redistribution. “I believe in returning the nation’s wealth to its rightful owners.”
– Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States
Rightful owners no longer means the people who worked hard, had a little bit of luck, and succeeded. Every slacker who prioritizes cigarettes, beer and cable TV above health care is right there behind him. Where do you stand?
August 27th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Is anyone really dumb enough to believe these changes will stop at those making over $300K? The trend, gentlemen, the trend. In all things, not just tax changes.
Nationalized banks, Socialized health Care, a shadwon government of Czars with no oversight or controls, the quiet elimination of guns and ammunition from the populace, soon nothing but the goverment haves, and the citizen havenots.
August 27th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Blogger John
How do you think high income people made thier money??? THEY WORKED FOR IT AND HAVE TAKEN LOTS OF RISK!!!!!! And you think some of it should go to you, WHY?
August 27th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Oh my God, I’m so scared. Quick, everyone, hide under the bed.
I guess it worked.
August 27th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
What amazes me is that everything in this country is about equality, except taxes. Why not a flat tax the is at an equal percentage for all. The reality is that the top earners pay the bulk of the taxes already and the more that their income is taxed they will not have monies to invest in companies that keep the economy churning. The truly super rich will figure out ways to hide or shelter their money.
This doesn’t consider the many owners of business that are Subchapter S corporations that are taxed at the personal rate for all the corporations profits.
Besides, when did this become the United States of Robin Hood. If I work, become successful and make more money than you, then why should I share with you?
August 27th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Hey Jeff, having people show papers was the next step for Darth Cheney and his crowd of fascist neo-cons. You sound just like another GOP fear monger.
If the Govt had not bailed the banks, they would have gone bust. You want that to happen? what got them into hot water in the first place? Greedy republicans.
Socialized health? Say what? What’s wrong with a public option? Nobody is talking of killing off the private insurance companies. More fear mongering, Mr. Limbaugh?
Shadow government? You gotta be kidding! What the feck do you think Cheney/Bush was? Witholding info from congress to evade oversight? Secret bloody everything? Man, you are really showing your neo-con colors there buddy.
Nobody is talking of “eliminating guns” for God’s sake except for the far left loonies who we ignore. Hell, I have guns. More fear mongering, Mr. Hannity?
August 27th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Hey Bigger,
Having any trouble finding ammunition for your guns? How about the proposal to list your guns on your 1040 form and pay a $50 tax on each?
I guess you don’t mind the extra tax because you are in the upper income bracket.
Why create a bunch of Czars to do what the government departments, responsible to the Congress, are supposed to be doing.Who do the Czars report to,? Not Congress.
The crisis came from the concept of a house for everyone, presented and pushed by the Clinton administration. But I am quite sure no Democrat took any kind of advantage of the open purse that little policy created.
If you run your business into the ground, then you should fail, learn and move on. Every bank that would have failed would have been picked up by another institution. The government DID NOT need to step in.
Nothing wrong with a public option, if you can follow the trend and realize it is the foot in the door to dictate overall health care.
August 27th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Appears some of you eat GOP FUD for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Then try to stay ‘regular’ by dropping a load of it on these boards.
August 27th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Guess what. Those who own businesses who could make over $350k will now find a way to make $349,999 to avoid any surcharges. That’s the way it works. Government revenues will go down and that money will be parked elsewhere. Wealthy people didn’t get wealthy by being stupid. They’ll find a place to put the money to keep it from the Feds…..as will I.
Our friends the Russians put in something akin to an 18% flat tax and their tax revenues went up.
One thing is sure. If you raise taxes on wealthy people the government’s tax revenues from them will go DOWN. Being the geniuses they are, the government will raise them even higher and they will go down more.
It’s time to get some grown ups back in DC. The current batch are even dumber than the last batch.
Sincerely,
Mob of One
John Galt 2012
August 27th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Leave it to the fools in Congress to ignore the obvious best solution-stop spending! This current administration has run up debt faster than any combination of presidents in history. Studies indicate less government interference and taxation, not more, produce a better economy and higher productivity. These fascist snobs should all be voted out at the earliest opportunity.
August 27th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
And yet another intellectual comment from Airboss!
August 27th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Here are the facts – there are over 3.5 Million small business owners paying taxes at the personal income tax rate as S Corporations, LLC’s and Partnerships. These are also the folks that create the large majority of jobs in this country, not overseas, that congress is looking at to pay for an expansion of social spending that will bankrupt America. The Concord Coalition analyzed the projected $9 Trillion deficit from a realistic viewpoint and feels that actually translates to $14 Trillion, equal to our GDP for a year. The interest on the national debt alone would be $1 Trillion per year.
We are already at a point of 50% of the population either being paid credits or paying no taxes at all, and if you taxed the top earners 100% we would still not be able to cover the deficit spending enacted. We must look at reducing spending, and hold our representatives feet to the fire to do so.
August 27th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Those of you that are on the side of raising taxes on the “rich” ought to get a grip, what gives you the right to take money away from me because you don’t want to pay your “fair share.” Oh, that’s right, your “fair share” doesn’t compute with you….. You don’t want me to complain when the Federal Government wants to take away several more months of house payments from me. Wonder how that would work out for you???
So anyway, go ahead take another chunk off of my plate by taxing me more – I will just lay off another person that works for me so that I can continue to live my life the way I am currently doing. Why should I suffer since the Federal Government cannot figure out a way to live within a reasonable budget (like those of use that must). – I am sorry, if that makes you angry, but since I live by a budget, then if more is going out, I must either bring more in, or cut spending – why should I suffer if I don’t need to?
Federal Government going to require me to pay for health care for my employees – whoops, since my insurance costs $1500/month, there goes another 15-20% of my employees out the door. We will work harder, but hey, it will be worth it. (Just ask those people I lay off)
For those of you out there that say that the rich people out there shouldn’t have any problem with paying extra in taxes, maybe you need to come to the realization that even “those people” occasionally live by a budget themselves, so if they purchase the million dollar vacation home – they budget for that, if the federal government takes an additional $15,000 (just 1.5% of a million dollars) from them, that equates to several months of house payments – you think it is fair that the government does that to an individual? Some of us that are “rich” have worked our backsides off, built up a business, employ many employees, and have the pleasure of paying for everyone else’s programs. Now while I do actually think it would be fair if I pay 10 times more than a person that makes 1/10th of what I do; that is not how it works. Not only do we have an escalated tax, but the Federal Government has eliminated the “breaks” of allowing me to keep MY money. I cannot deduct my mortgage, my health care, not even my kids on my taxes. So, now if the article is correct (it seems flawed) , for someone who makes 25K a year they don’t pay anything, and me, half of my paycheck will be going out the door. Sound fair to anyone with a brain?
In summary, I guess the real down side of no middle class is that those that might aspire to make “really good” money instead of “just-getting-by” money means that there aren’t that enough people out here to get upset over raising taxes on the “rich”
August 27th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I agree that a combination of liberals and neo-conservatives are responsible for bringing on this economic crisis. I am still a registered democrat, but I see that the problem is career politicians, not the party you’re affiliated with. Our founding fathers never intended for us to use tax payer money to subsidize social programs! The average American is good hearted and generous. Whether you are speaking of common people donating to charities or doctors who spent years in school to learn their profession, these people do so because it makes them feel good. They are passionate! This may be selfish in itself, but they don’t donate because of tax deductions or loads of money. Let’s label all the folks who took advantage of cash for clunkers as tax evading, evil wealth mongers (it will be tougher because you don’t have class envy on your side). Besides, what’s the difference between an incentive to give and forcing charity on people in the form of taxes? The answer; efficiency in the ability of the free market (that is if the government will stop intervening).
A really good example of private enterprise taking charge is http://www.ramusa.org. I found out about this group at http://www.pjtv.com/v/2331. This group refuses to take donations from the government because they don’t want the regulation. Instead, they take donations in the form of money from business and people and time from doctors and volunteers. I encourage you to donate if you believe in the free market.
To touch on the class envy thing, name one other society that has the breadth of middle class that we do in America. This idea that the government can take from the rich and raise the poor to middle class has never worked. I just graduated from college 4 years ago. A third of my close friends have already bought houses. Half of those have purchased without the second income of a spouse. None of these people came from upper class society. I think those statistics really show how it’s possible to grow prosperity, which is the goal of individuals and of society. So often we look at wealth as this evil thing, but it is prosperity that we are gaining. Money does not buy happiness, but it does allow us to increase our quality of life and gain security from unexpected or disastrous events. I’d also add that those damn rich people provided the jobs to my friends that allowed them to make the ultimate middle class investment, a home.
I don’t know if we are supposed to be including links and other media, but I think education is the most important defense we have against this out of control government that’s been at the reins for the last couple decades. I recommend a book by economist Thomas E. Woods called “Meltdown.” This is the best explanation I’ve read about the root causes of this current depression. Educate yourself!!!
August 27th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Currently the top 4% of the population pays 80% of the federal taxes. The next 29% of the population pays the remaining 20% and 67% of the population pays no federal tax.
The problem we face is a discussion based on facts with a minimum of emotion. I believe the founding fathers established our country were advancement and social standing was based on merit and hard work. Now it starting to sound like if you make money it’s your fault and you had to rape and pillage the earth to do it.
I work in Silicon Valley where 8 out 10 start-ups fail. So if you are lucky enough to be in a success you have generally been in numerous failures and recognize your good fortune. If you tax that good fortune then what does that say about getting ahead on merit? Is it unamerican to make money? How can everyone be proud of their individual achievments and stop the earnings envy?
And finally, those who are formenting these class issues are Washingtonians who tell us to be transparent in our dealings, fiscally prudent and morally honest. The same group of individuals who can’t balance a budget, exempted themselves from Affirmative Action legistration and EEOC rules for 25 years, don’t pay Social Security, have their own health care plan and have a massively unfunded pension plan. And that includes both the Democrats and Republicans. How do we return to Lincoln’s “Government of the people, by the people and for the people”?
August 27th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
I don’t understand the extremes. Can higher earners afford to pay a little more? Yes. Should they be taxed at a rate 15% higher? No. Most high earners also work twice as many hours as everyone else. If you have spent years with your nose in college text books (often while holding a full-time job), worked weekends and vacations most of your life, and missed most of your children’s soccer matches in an effort to earn more, then others really shouldn’t have a claim to your income. This is the U.S. – work hard at bettering yourself and reap the rewards. I’m a registered democrat concerned about the greater good but I’m not ready to throw away all incentives to excel. Don’t forget that high earners already pay significantly more in taxes. 30% of $50k is $15,000. 30% of $200k is $60,000.
August 27th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
The truth hurts, doesn’t it, Jeff? There’s no point in going WAY OVER your head. You know FUD when you spew it, orally or otherwise.
August 27th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Hey Jeff, the panic buying of ammo is all the NRA wingnuts and militia members (republicans like Tim McVeigh) in panic mode. Knee jerk. Tell me, how many thousands of rounds of ammo do you need? What war are you planning to fight? Are you going to declare war on all your neighbors? How many AR15s do you need? How many AK47s? How many 1911s or Glocks? All due to hype and fearmongering coming from the far right. Anybody with half a brain understands that some of this proposed whacked-out legislation from the far left will never pass. A gun tax stands about an ice-cube’s chance in hell of passing, and you know it. There will be no extra tax on guns, nor will they be banned. Hell, even if a Democrat proposed gun bans, I’d fight that mofo tooth and nail.
I’m, surprised you neo-cons are still trying to blame Clinton for everything that goes wrong, even though you had 8 years of Dubya to get it fixed. That excuse is getting rather old.
We currently have Medicare and the Vets Hospitals. Both govt run. I don’t see them as the dangerous entities which will grow and take over the planet? You are just listening to other right wing whackjobs like O’Reilly.
August 28th, 2009 at 8:39 am
To BiggerJohn – Half of everything I make is invested in my company, creating 20 new jobs this year, 40% goes to federal and state taxes, I live off the 10% – modestly. If taxes go up I will be left with no choice but to stop growing and to stop producing jobs, in fact cutting 5 positions which we don’t need if we are not growing. Maybe the owner of the company you work for, if you even have a job, is in a similar position. A tax increase like this will cost millions of jobs nationwide.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Speaking as a business owner who falls into the income range that’s affected by this tax, I can tell you one of two things is going to happen: (1) I raise my prices, which means my customers (mostly people with less income) end up paying the surtax, or (2) I cut back on my discretionary spending, which also mean that I’m providing less money to people at lower income levels. Those are my only two choices – no magic is going to occur.
The presidents “high earner” surtax is an illusion. The tax going to be carried by everyone. It just has a nice title that appeals to people who don’t understand how these things really work.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Good Morning Bigger,
Have you asked any Vets how easy it is to get treated in the wonderful world of vet hoepitals? Or the conditions at the hspitals? Being a Vietnam Vet myself I can tell you the paperwork, delays, and red-tape of government health care is NOT what we want to deal with for medical care. We already provide health insurance for the uninsured, without giving the government a shoe horn to legislate my, or anyone elses, care.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Oh, Bigger,
And don’t let me forget what a wonderful success medicare is. Badly run, Tons of paperwork for the medical profession, tremendous fraud and waste, and deductables that force you to get additional insurance to protect you from the significant co-pays.
Any other examples you have? Keep proving my points for me. By the way – do you have a job? Or just looking for the next government handout? Don’t mean any kind of personal attack, just curious.
August 28th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Jeff,
My cousin’s husband walked into a VC machine gun nest and got shot to hell. Nearly died. Vet hospital took good care of him and put him back together, he lived to a ripe old age and never complained about Vets care. My guitar teacher is a vet and uses the local VA facilities. He bitches about EVERYTHING but I’ve never heard him bitch about the VA. I hear all this noise from the far right about how bad the VA is, but I’ve never heard such noise from the actual vets I know.
And yes, I am professionally employed. In the defense industry, no less.
Rusty, you need a more creative accountant.
August 28th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Bigger,
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Over – Nobody who has health insurance voluntarily goes to the VA for care. And they won’t care for anyone who is not entitled to treatment. Have you ever been taken care of in a military hospital or a VA hospital? While they have improved over the past many years since I got out – they are far from the best and brightest. In my opinion, because of their focus, they should be a benchmark by which care is distributed, they are not now, nor have they ever been.
I have quit going to the hospital emergency room closest to my home for care because all of the people that cannot afford care go there now. Not only are the wait times ridiculous, the waiting rooms are overflowing with people that really don’t need urgent care. Now when I have a medical emergency such as a severe sprain or something like the motorcycle accident I recently had, that requires attention, I go to the doc in the box who only sees paying customers. The care is so much better, so prompt, so attentive, that I cannot see going back.
The problem with health care is a broken system where the people who have insurance who go to places like “my” hospital with a problem is that the hospital has to charge my insurance so much to off-set the costs from those that cannot pay. That’s right, that’s because they must live by a budget and operate on a profit – or go out of business.
I am glad you work in the defense sector – where the jobs are plentiful and the benefits are paid for by the Government as part of the agreements with your company – can’t wait for them to make you shift to a Government run health care facility to cut costs on the planes or trains or automobiles you work on – don’t think that will happen in the next round of contract negotiations??? Duh… WTFU
August 28th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
I’VE READ ALL THE ABOVE. YOUR GUYS HAVE BEEN PRIMED FOR SOCIALISM AND THERE IS NO WAY OUT. OBAMA AND HIS PROGRAM IS DESIGNED AND BEING DESIGNED DAILY TO DESTROY THE US. I ALMOST BARF EVERY TIME IS SEE THE BIG O RETURN THE SALUTE OF THE MILITARY WHEN HE DISMOUNTS FROM AF 1.
EO LLRO
August 28th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
I’VE READ ALL THE ABOVE. YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN PRIMED FOR SOCIALISM AND THERE IS NO WAY OUT. OBAMA AND HIS PROGRAM IS DESIGNED AND BEING DESIGNED DAILY TO DESTROY THE US. I ALMOST BARF EVERY TIME IS SEE THE BIG O RETURN THE SALUTE OF THE MILITARY WHEN HE DISMOUNTS FROM AF 1.
EO LLRO
August 28th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Again, another right wing “I got mine so screw you” republican. You did hit the nail on the head though in one regard, the “system” is indeed broken. You see it for yourself in the number of indigent who go to your local hospital, they have no health care, and are likely to be very low income and could not afford it anyway. So, as far as you right wingers are concerned, these people can eat s..t and die? Isn’t that the same attitude that cost Marie Antoniette a one way trip to the butcher shop?
Yeah, health care is great if you have a lot of money. And under the proposed revisions, if you are happy with what you have now, you can keep it. So, Mr. Neo-Con, what’s the problem with people below the poverty level having some government sponsored plan? Should be no skin off your nose because you will not be forced into it. You just want to grind the poor under your heel?
Not every thing in our society needs to be for-profit.
Oh, and I am salaried, Director level, as a matter of fact. So there are no contract negotiations.
Sheesh. WTF indeed.
August 29th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Once more a little fact on the health care agrument. The government has run numerous studies (starting with the Nixon administration onward) that have all come to the same difficult finding. 80% of your entire life time medical expense will be spent within 60 days of your death. Until you can control that issue you can’t control overall health care cost. And while health care advocates in the US say that we will never have medical review boards (read death benefits approval) all of the very socially liberal European countries have been forced to initiate these boards. They were implemented against the founders wishes but as a last dich effort to control uncontrolable costs. With the difference in US laws I think these boards would be successfully challenged by the ACLU which would make the liberals happy – But then we would be left with uncontrolable costs. This is a real “no win” situation. Until you hear the politicians addrssing this issue we will not have a serious health care discussion.
Also having spoken to a number of Europeans, what they fail to mention about why they are happy with socialized medicine is that in the UK 50% of the population has “private insurance” supplemental coverage. The number is similiar in Sweden, and Germany. Be careful to have an apples to apples discussion about health care.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:38 am
I often wonder how these panels that will review an old person’s ability to spend the health care money they worked their whole lives for will consider that the young person they might be diverting the money to. Although the young person might have more ‘useful years’ left in their body, they also might not have contributed anything positive, and might not be ever going to contribute anything positive to the country and world. How will these ‘review boards’ consider the past, current and real future contribution of a person who they want to give my parents health care dollars to? When did we devalue the contributions of people like my father who served in both WWII and Korea? How do you balance the relative value of a POS who grew up on the government teat, and continues to cost America money in entitlements against the contributions of our proud parents? How do you in essence ‘steal’ health care dollars from those who gave their all to those who haven’t lifted a finger? And who decides; Obama, ACORN, Barney Franks, Chuck Schumer?
And if the administration is afraid to address the tort reform issue because they are afraid of the trial lawyers (as Howard Dean admitted directly recently) do they really have health care reform in mind, or is it something bigger they are plotting? Hugo Obama has bigger plans for us and our children. Better wake up America while we have something worth protecting left to protect!
August 31st, 2009 at 11:06 am
How’s that FUD taste, Gary? Bitter? You seem to have spat it out on this board.
November 20th, 2009 at 9:53 am
biggerJohn………You’re so ignorant i actually feel sorry for you!
Why don’t you leave the country? There are several that would take you!….well, maybe we could find one or two. Find yourself a nice socialist country and move there!….I’ll pay for the move!! PLEASE!
November 20th, 2009 at 10:02 am
johnny johnny johnny……..lol……If the Govt had not bailed the banks, they would have gone bust. You want that to happen? what got them into hot water in the first place? Greedy republicans.
I believe it was the brain dead dumocrats that decided a House for everyone was the plan!!….SOO MUCH SO that Clinton and his band of fellow pedofiles changed laws so that unemplyment comp. and food stamps could be used as INCOME to determine eligability FOR GODS SAKE!! DUH!! Wonder why that didn’t work out!!??…….Now i’m paying for the losers once again!
Have another bowl of lead paint!! seems to suit you well!
November 20th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
I see that the government has just released their updated recommendation on mammograms for women. I see that they no longer need to be screened between 40 and 50 because 81% of them aren’t sick. Guess the remaining 19% are just out of luck. I wonder which group benefits from this, welfare slackers or illegal invaders?
Wealth redistribution from those who work and save to those who take and glide is underway. I’m sure the higher earners will continue to be equally incented to invest their money and all of their time so those unwilling to work get better health care.
You socialists still don’t get it. You don’t understand why Regan could lower the tax rate and increase that overall take for the government at the same time. You don’t understand why the USSR failed. You’ll understand it better when this program tanks as it is bound to do…. but then will America be able to recover? Will the non-working underclass be such a large voting block that Hugo Chavez Obama will get voted back in again-and-again because he feeds these slackers? Will the 20 – 30 million ‘new citizens’ that Obama plans to make be ‘born Democrats’ for life? Will the parties even continue to exist by then, I mean, what’s the point.
This is a dangerous time in America. This unprecedented power grab by the executive branch is un-American and against everything the founding fathers designed. Continuing to increase the fleecing of high wage earners is against everything that made the United States, and the western world the place all of these cretins want to sneak into. I would suggest that those of you wishing for socialism just go to a country that already practices it. (and take guy from Kenya with you)