Comments on: New proposal on how — and how much — biz will pay for health reform http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:15:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Michelle http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1764 Michelle Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:18:46 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1764 I much prefer the idea of a national healthcare system, that gives employees the opportunity to change their employment without fear of losing health cover. The current use of insurance traps employees in jobs they no longer really want to be in, simply because they might not be able to get affordable cover elsewhere (especially with a pre-existing condition). I much prefer the idea of a national healthcare system, that gives employees the opportunity to change their employment without fear of losing health cover. The current use of insurance traps employees in jobs they no longer really want to be in, simply because they might not be able to get affordable cover elsewhere (especially with a pre-existing condition).

]]> By: Mark http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1605 Mark Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:46:32 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1605 Businesses should quit providing health care to their employees altogether. They started this practice in the 1960's and it became universal over the next 40 years. I guess they had to do it to attract employees. Now they don't need to do that. It was a mistake back then and it's a mistake today. Health care should not be one of the things businesses have to contend with to make a profit in our capitalist democracy. IMHO. And by the way, this is the only country where businesses provide health care for their employees. That right there should be a clue there's something wrong with it. Mark Businesses should quit providing health care to their employees altogether. They started this practice in the 1960′s and it became universal over the next 40 years. I guess they had to do it to attract employees. Now they don’t need to do that. It was a mistake back then and it’s a mistake today. Health care should not be one of the things businesses have to contend with to make a profit in our capitalist democracy. IMHO. And by the way, this is the only country where businesses provide health care for their employees. That right there should be a clue there’s something wrong with it.
Mark

]]> By: Gordon http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1604 Gordon Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:34:11 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1604 Mike - call names and walk away. Okay go back to your fantasy world. How droll to even jokingly claim that you invented health care for your employees. You know, the ones that didn't have ANYTHING to do with making you enough money that you could afford to GIVE them health care. God Bless you too, Mike. Mike – call names and walk away. Okay go back to your fantasy world. How droll to even jokingly claim that you invented health care for your employees. You know, the ones that didn’t have ANYTHING to do with making you enough money that you could afford to GIVE them health care. God Bless you too, Mike.

]]> By: Mike Sutter http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1603 Mike Sutter Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:59:48 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1603 Gordon: Long ago, I learned that "when dealing with idiots, make sure you're not similarily occupied". Since I've quickly learned that you're on that fine line between psuedo-intellectual and idiot and I care not to be in either category, I'll move on and let others argue with your far left political rantings. God Bless you and keep up the work. We will always need a nut-case or two for the purposes of a two minute discussion. .........and yes, I did invent health care 22 years ago for my employees. By the way, fully paid for by the company (me). Gordon:
Long ago, I learned that “when dealing with idiots, make sure you’re not similarily occupied”. Since I’ve quickly learned that you’re on that fine line between psuedo-intellectual and idiot and I care not to be in either category, I’ll move on and let others argue with your far left political rantings.
God Bless you and keep up the work. We will always need a nut-case or two for the purposes of a two minute discussion.
………and yes, I did invent health care 22 years ago for my employees. By the way, fully paid for by the company (me).

]]> By: Gordon http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1602 Gordon Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:38:30 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1602 Gary - your true colors come out; a self-proclaimed expert on everything. And the Republican playbook is....oh wait they don't have one. Gary – your true colors come out; a self-proclaimed expert on everything. And the Republican playbook is….oh wait they don’t have one.

]]> By: Vizbiz http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1601 Vizbiz Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:36:56 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1601 If Gordon were in Congress, he would be called a back-bencher. Go ahead and follow them right off the cliff. If Gordon were in Congress, he would be called a back-bencher. Go ahead and follow them right off the cliff.

]]> By: Gary Layton http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1600 Gary Layton Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:25:51 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1600 Gordon is a 'blinded partisan'. You won't have any reasonable debate with him. (in fact, it'll only be a few more emails before he's calling all of us Fox News watching racists.... I think that's what the Democratic playbook calls for) Gordon is a ‘blinded partisan’. You won’t have any reasonable debate with him. (in fact, it’ll only be a few more emails before he’s calling all of us Fox News watching racists…. I think that’s what the Democratic playbook calls for)

]]> By: Gordon http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1598 Gordon Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:20:03 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1598 Here's why they don't have a plan - its because they don't have a clue. Mike - It's good that you admit that they aren't really your ideas, cause we've seen all of them before. It was starting to look like you invented health care. Here’s why they don’t have a plan – its because they don’t have a clue.

Mike – It’s good that you admit that they aren’t really your ideas, cause we’ve seen all of them before. It was starting to look like you invented health care.

]]> By: Mike Sutter http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1597 Mike Sutter Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:09:58 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1597 Thanks to those who have found some sense in what I proposed. I'm guilty in part (#'s 2 thru 5) of a certain level of plagarism since these have been expressed in part by the Republicans! The fact that I find amazing however, is why these ideas haven't been made more public despite the Right's inability to be part of the "inside" debate. Certainly well placed news releases (even if limited to the Fox Network!!) would at least give us hope that there is some type of reasonable thinking happening in Washington. Are the Republicans waiting for a more "timely" moment, or are they hoping for more Democratic Party implosions such as occurred during the last six months? Finally, since my comments are not "copied and pasted" they are never "sniveling drivel". On the contrary, sound thinking always wins out over the substantial regurgitating of "Botox" Pelosi's remarks!! Thanks to those who have found some sense in what I proposed. I’m guilty in part (#’s 2 thru 5) of a certain level of plagarism since these have been expressed in part by the Republicans!

The fact that I find amazing however, is why these ideas haven’t been made more public despite the Right’s inability to be part of the “inside” debate. Certainly well placed news releases (even if limited to the Fox Network!!) would at least give us hope that there is some type of reasonable thinking happening in Washington. Are the Republicans waiting for a more “timely” moment, or are they hoping for more Democratic Party implosions such as occurred during the last six months?

Finally, since my comments are not “copied and pasted” they are never “sniveling drivel”. On the contrary, sound thinking always wins out over the substantial regurgitating of “Botox” Pelosi’s remarks!!

]]> By: Jim http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1596 Jim Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:03:45 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1596 Whatever proposal comes out, if we the people do not like it talk to your congressman. Tell him we don't want this. If the majority does not want this then it should not be passed. If your congressman votes against your wishes. Vote his lame butt out!! Then we can have the new congressman pass a law going back to the old way. Whatever proposal comes out, if we the people do not like it talk to your congressman. Tell him we don’t want this. If the majority does not want this then it should not be passed. If your congressman votes against your wishes. Vote his lame butt out!! Then we can have the new congressman pass a law going back to the old way.

]]> By: Vizbiz http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1595 Vizbiz Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:55:09 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1595 Levin is correct the two party system is broken. Republicans - woulda, coulda, shoulda, Democrats- republicans suck. That's our government right now. I'm sick of it. Levin is correct the two party system is broken. Republicans – woulda, coulda, shoulda, Democrats- republicans suck. That’s our government right now. I’m sick of it.

]]> By: Levin Hitch http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1594 Levin Hitch Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:46:08 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1594 Yes the process is broken badly. This two party system is broken unfortunately. Also unfortuntely, I have to go back to work... I have make money so my employees have health care ;-) Thankfully Al Gore invented the internet so that we could have this discussion....... Thank you Gary for the conversation. Thank you Mike for the ideas, good luck getting them looked at. Yes the process is broken badly. This two party system is broken unfortunately.

Also unfortuntely, I have to go back to work… I have make money so my employees have health care ;-)

Thankfully Al Gore invented the internet so that we could have this discussion…….

Thank you Gary for the conversation.
Thank you Mike for the ideas, good luck getting them looked at.

]]> By: Gordon http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1593 Gordon Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:45:41 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1593 Boehner Won’t Pledge To Offer GOP Health Care Plan, Refuses To Post It Online If He Does Republicans have been insisting for months that Democrats are shoving a secret bill down the throats of the American public. The health reform legislation “should be posted online for 72 hours so members and the American people get a chance to see what’s in these bills,” House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) told Fox News. “But it seems to me that Democrat leaders want to rush these bills through Congress before anybody has a chance to read them.” In fact, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) “has repeatedly pledged to Republicans that the health bill and any manager’s amendment would be posted online for at least 72 hours before the House votes,” and he promised again this week. At a press conference this morning, a reporter turned the tables on Boehner and asked whether he’d post the GOP plan for 72 hours. Boehner declined to make such a pledge: QUESTION: Will the Republicans put their alternative online for 72 hours as well? BOEHNER: Uh, we’ll uh, we’ll have our ideas ready. Don’t worry. Why won’t Bohner post the GOP plan? Because he doesn’t have one. Later in the press conference, this minor detail was revealed when a reporter pressed Boehner for a GOP alternative plan: QUESTION: Is it your plan to have one Republican alternative that you all would get behind and endorse? BOHNER: We have a number of ideas that we would like to proffer in this process, and we’re not quite sure how the majority intends to proceed. And so until we understand how they intend to proceed, it’s pretty difficult for us to have a solid plan. Watch it: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/29/boehner-gop-72-hours/ Earlier this month, Fox’s Greta van Susteren asked Boehner why House Republicans didn’t push for transparency when they were in power. “It was a different time,” Boehner said in response. It’s clear why Republicans have been insisting on having as much time as possible to read the bill. As Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) explained, health insurance lobbyists need to be given “at least 72 hours” so they can try to kill the legislation. Boehner Won’t Pledge To Offer GOP Health Care Plan, Refuses To Post It Online If He Does
Republicans have been insisting for months that Democrats are shoving a secret bill down the throats of the American public. The health reform legislation “should be posted online for 72 hours so members and the American people get a chance to see what’s in these bills,” House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) told Fox News. “But it seems to me that Democrat leaders want to rush these bills through Congress before anybody has a chance to read them.”

In fact, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) “has repeatedly pledged to Republicans that the health bill and any manager’s amendment would be posted online for at least 72 hours before the House votes,” and he promised again this week.

At a press conference this morning, a reporter turned the tables on Boehner and asked whether he’d post the GOP plan for 72 hours. Boehner declined to make such a pledge:

QUESTION: Will the Republicans put their alternative online for 72 hours as well?

BOEHNER: Uh, we’ll uh, we’ll have our ideas ready. Don’t worry.

Why won’t Bohner post the GOP plan? Because he doesn’t have one. Later in the press conference, this minor detail was revealed when a reporter pressed Boehner for a GOP alternative plan:

QUESTION: Is it your plan to have one Republican alternative that you all would get behind and endorse?

BOHNER: We have a number of ideas that we would like to proffer in this process, and we’re not quite sure how the majority intends to proceed. And so until we understand how they intend to proceed, it’s pretty difficult for us to have a solid plan.

Watch it:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/29/boehner-gop-72-hours/

Earlier this month, Fox’s Greta van Susteren asked Boehner why House Republicans didn’t push for transparency when they were in power. “It was a different time,” Boehner said in response.

It’s clear why Republicans have been insisting on having as much time as possible to read the bill. As Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) explained, health insurance lobbyists need to be given “at least 72 hours” so they can try to kill the legislation.

]]> By: Gary Layton http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1592 Gary Layton Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:40:08 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1592 "If you are against health care change, what do you propose?" That's a fair question. But not hearing other proposals is all part of the problem. Others have alternate proposals, but there's no debate. Nobody but the Democrats are even allowed in the room. The media is firmly behind Obama and doesn't even expose alternatives... and until today, there has been no bill to compare or contrast anything to. Any 'debate' so far as been all posturing since no single firm proposal had been offered. I imagine this is 'an emergency' too, and it'll need to be voted on by this afternoon..... The process is broken. Nothing that is a result of this process should be approved, period. I mean really; read this crap: "Won’t add a dime to the deficit and is paid for upfront." Does that pass your 'blink test'? (and really, Mike's proposal above makes sense) “If you are against health care change, what do you propose?”

That’s a fair question. But not hearing other proposals is all part of the problem. Others have alternate proposals, but there’s no debate. Nobody but the Democrats are even allowed in the room. The media is firmly behind Obama and doesn’t even expose alternatives… and until today, there has been no bill to compare or contrast anything to. Any ‘debate’ so far as been all posturing since no single firm proposal had been offered.

I imagine this is ‘an emergency’ too, and it’ll need to be voted on by this afternoon…..

The process is broken. Nothing that is a result of this process should be approved, period. I mean really; read this crap: “Won’t add a dime to the deficit and is paid for upfront.” Does that pass your ‘blink test’?
(and really, Mike’s proposal above makes sense)

]]> By: Levin Hitch http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1591 Levin Hitch Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:25:16 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1591 Yes, CA has its issues, but is this discussion not about the fed making changes to health care? If you are against health care change, what do you propose? I may not be very current on the whole issue, but I don't have heard other health care proposals from any other parties. Yes, CA has its issues, but is this discussion not about the fed making changes to health care?

If you are against health care change, what do you propose? I may not be very current on the whole issue, but I don’t have heard other health care proposals from any other parties.

]]> By: Gary Layton http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1590 Gary Layton Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:16:28 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1590 Exactly Levin. Your state is a model of the social welfare state; with out of control illegal immigration, generous benefit programs for those who don't contribute, and outrageous taxes against businesses and the rich to try to pay for it all. How is that working out? It is the path the entire country is being put on. FYI, I don't support either party, so this isn't about partisan politics to me. This is about stopping people who have an agenda of forcing radical change on America. All of these provisions are merely tools to that end. You will wake up one day soon and not recognize America. That's what I am against. (This is 1,990 pages of 'simple and understandable changes' that were done behind closed doors by one party, right? Seems reasonable....) Exactly Levin. Your state is a model of the social welfare state; with out of control illegal immigration, generous benefit programs for those who don’t contribute, and outrageous taxes against businesses and the rich to try to pay for it all. How is that working out?

It is the path the entire country is being put on.

FYI, I don’t support either party, so this isn’t about partisan politics to me. This is about stopping people who have an agenda of forcing radical change on America. All of these provisions are merely tools to that end. You will wake up one day soon and not recognize America. That’s what I am against. (This is 1,990 pages of ‘simple and understandable changes’ that were done behind closed doors by one party, right? Seems reasonable….)

]]> By: Levin Hitch http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1589 Levin Hitch Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:04:15 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1589 I thought this was a discussion about how the fed is attempting to change health care. CA gov is not helping at all with health care refom as far as I know. I was only giving a reference to the state my company is in. I thought this was a discussion about how the fed is attempting to change health care. CA gov is not helping at all with health care refom as far as I know. I was only giving a reference to the state my company is in.

]]> By: Vizbiz http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1588 Vizbiz Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:03:39 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1588 "This partisan politic thing is childish and non-productive." - Never in Americas history have the partisan politics been so bad (excluding the lead up to Civil War). Democratics in congress have disgraced America and true reform by shutting out honest and open debate. “This partisan politic thing is childish and non-productive.” – Never in Americas history have the partisan politics been so bad (excluding the lead up to Civil War). Democratics in congress have disgraced America and true reform by shutting out honest and open debate.

]]> By: Gary Layton http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1587 Gary Layton Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:49:18 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1587 So Levin, how is the government of California serving your interests since they apparently are the model for the rest of the country. Talk about unsustainable! And I agree, Mike's plan is better than Pelosi's plan, hands down. So Levin, how is the government of California serving your interests since they apparently are the model for the rest of the country. Talk about unsustainable!

And I agree, Mike’s plan is better than Pelosi’s plan, hands down.

]]> By: Gordon http://www.businessbrief.com/new-proposal-on-how-and-how-much-biz-will-pay-for-health-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-1585 Gordon Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:47:17 +0000 http://www.businessbrief.com/?p=4322#comment-1585 I just thought I'd give you something substantial to read...the rest of these remarks were just sniveling drivel. I just thought I’d give you something substantial to read…the rest of these remarks were just sniveling drivel.

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